08/22/2007 - Packet City Center Advisory Commission
Wednesday August 22, 2007
6:30 PM - 8:30 PM
Tigard Library 1'` Floor Community Room
13125 SW Hall Blvd.
Agenda
1. Welcome and Introductions 6:30-6:35 pm
2. Review/ Approve Minutes 6:35-6:50
3. Plaza Location Options—Discussion / Recommendations 6:50-7:50
4. Downtown Street Lights—Review / Recommendations 7:50–8:10
5. Selection of alternate to Joint Planning/ CCAC Committee
on Land Use Regulations 8:10–8:20
6. Recognition of Contributions to Downtown 8: 20-8:30
7. Other Business/Announcements 8:30-8:35
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Minutes for CCAC Meeting
Date of Meeting: August 22, 2007
Name of Committee: CITY CENTER ADVISORY COMMISSION
Location: Tigard Library - Community Room, 13125 SW Hall Blvd.
Minutes taken by: Doreen Laughlin,Administrative Specialist II
Called to order by: Chairman Carl Switzer
Time Started: 6:40 pm
Time Ended: 9:00 pm
Commissioners Present: Carolyn Barkley;Vice Chair Alexander Craghead; Ralph
Hughes; Chairman Carl Switzer; Lily Lilly;Alice Ellis Gaut
Commissioners Absent: Roger Potthoff; Suzemne GaRagher-[Amended to delete
former Commissioner]
Others Present: Marland Henderson, Lisa Olson, etc.
Staff Present: Tom Coffee, Community Development Director; Phil Nachbar, Senior
Planner; Doreen Laughlin, City Admin Specialist II
Agenda Item #1: Welcome and Introductions
Important Discussion and/or Comments: There were some members of the public
present, so the CCAC members and staff introduced themselves. It was mentioned by Chair
Switzer that there would be a time for public comment later in the evening and the public
would be asked to introduce themselves at that time.
Action Items (Follow-Up or Votes): None
Agenda Item #2: Review/Approve Minutes
Important Discussion and/or Comments:
There were visitors present, so Chair Switzer decided that in the interest of time, the public,
and efficiency, this agenda item was moved to after agenda item #3 (public plaza location
options) which is what most of the visitors present were interested in.
After agenda item #3 was discussed, this agenda item was addressed. At this time, it was
moved and seconded to approve the July 18' minutes for the CCAC regular meeting.
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Action Items (Follow-Up or Votes): A vote was taken and the 7/18/07 minutes were
unanimously approved, with no abstentions.
Agenda Item #3: Plaza Location Options /Public Comment—
Discussion/Recommendations
Important Discussion and/or Comments: Phil Nachbar began his presentation by
talking about the process and the review bodies involved regarding the location of the Fanno
Creek Plaza. He noted that programming had been added since the last meeting. He
presented a PowerPoint presentation. (Exhibit A is the PowerPoint presentation in total).
He pointed out an aerial view showing the boundaries for the plaza and park (Exhibit A,
p.2). He showed the site characteristics of the park (pp 5 & 6) and the vegetated corridor
(p.7). He noted the park would be more of a nature area rather than a developed park
although he also noted there is some area available for a traditional park. He said there are
economic considerations (p. 13) and gave some illustrations as to how the plaza could
possibly be used (p. 15). The slideshow showed photos of examples of possible ways to use
the gathering space. Nachbar noted that this space can be used any way the community
would like it to be used, and it would be roughly 10,000 square feet. He said you do not
necessarily need a lot of space for a nice plaza, and pointed to the city of Portland as an
example of a city having a public plaza that is, basically, the same size. He spoke about
several options available for the plaza and talked about the possibility of interactive fountains
(e.g. pp 34, 35), having some "soft space" (e.g. pp 36-38), or possibly a sunken plaza which
could be designed by Walker Macy.
Nachbar continued his presentation by discussing each of the possible locations —giving
pros and cons of each (pp. 41-44). He said his thoughts are that Scheme 1 appears to be the
best location. Chair Switzer (who is also chair of the Fanno Creek Steering Committee) was
asked to give a brief overview of that committee's recommendations. Switzer gave the
overview saying the official recommendation from them is to support Scheme 1 (p.41). He
gave some reasons as to why the other schemes were not as desirable — such as the noise
factor, too far from the park,uncooperative property owners, too close to Hwy 99, etc. He
said they believed the plaza and the park should be integrated /connected. He noted some
of the reasons they liked the concept of Scheme 1 the best:
• The plaza would be integrated into the park
• Visibility from Main Street
• Immediately adjacent re-developable property
• Connection to Commuter rail parking which could be used on weekends when the
plaza is being used by many people
• Green street / urban creek idea
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He said again that, in concept, the one they liked the best was Scheme 1. He said it would
not be exactly what was pictured —but the general "concept of the location" is what they
were recommending.
Switzer asked Commissioner Ellis Gaut,who is also on the steering committee, for her input
on this. She noted several things she liked about the site. The "bonus apace" across the
street was of particular interest as she said it has tremendous potential for a possible "mini-
plaza." Another plus she noted was that in terms of"land assembly" Scheme 1 turns out to
be the easiest. Nachbar took some time explaining why this was the case. There was more
discussion about the smaller plaza and reasons why it would be an asset in so much as it
could "reach out" to Main Street.
At this point, Switzer opened up the discussion to the public and some of the comments
follow:
Mike Swanda, who was also a member of the Fanno Creek Steering Committee, said all the
schemes had benefits and he talked about some of those benefits. He said of them all, he
was a hold out for scheme 1.
Commissioner Hughes noted he would like future slides and visuals to include the parking
areas so they could be clearly seen. Nachbar said that was a good point and in the future
those areas would be shown clearly.
Citizen, Deanna Nihill, identified herself as a Yd generation Tigard resident. She said she was
very pleased to see what was being done. She noted she would love to have a public plaza in
Tigard, right close to home, so her family wouldn't have to go to Beaverton, Lake Oswego,
or any of the other surrounding cities, to have something like the plaza available. She likes
the idea of it being connected to greenspace and near the park. She indicated she was in
favor of Scheme 1, and would like the plaza situated away from Hwy 99W. She wanted it to
be a bike/kid/family friendly area.
Marland Henderson indicated that he supports Scheme #1 as well, especially as it pertains to
Farmer's Markets.
There was a question as to whether a trail system to the library would be made. Nachbar
said yes, there would. He said the trail system through the park, which goes across to the
library, would be reconstructed, lighted, and interconnected. He said there is a project to
have a lighted crossing of some kind that will stop traffic on Hall Blvd to make it easier for
pedestrians to get across Hall Blvd to the library.
Lisa Olson,who was a member of the task force ('IDIP), said that group as a whole had felt
a public plaza or public gathering spot should be connected to a park. She said Scheme 1
supports those findings.
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Commissioner Lilly noted that Scheme 1 was her first choice. From a sustainable point of
view, she believes the plaza could be an anchor.
Chair Switzer asked if anyone wanted to make a motion. Commissioner Lilly made a
motion. (See motion under "action items" below.) Switzer explained that the
recommendation is to support conceptually the Stevens Marine site - Scheme 1 - as the
location for the plaza. He reiterated that it would not necessarily be the exact same thing as
is on the drawing, but that the "concept" is what they supported. Tom Coffee, Community
Development Director, noted that the Fanno Creek Steering Committee had endorsed Site 1
(Scheme 1), and the associated concepts, and that action had been communicated to
Council.
Action Items (Follow-Up or Votes): Commissioner Lilly made a motion... "I move that
the CCAC vote to recommend and support the steering committees recommendation."
There was some discussion regarding exactly what the recommendation was and, after some
time, Commissioner Lilly added a friendly amendment, which was: "I move to endorse the
concepts presented in Scheme one, including the plaza location on the Stevens marine
property." The motion was seconded by Commissioner Ellis Gaut; a vote was taken, and the
motion unanimously passed.
One of the Commissioners asked that"Council communication" (the idea of"face time') be
on the agenda for discussion at the next meeting. Nachbar said this would be added to the
next agenda.
Agenda Item #4: Downtown Street Lights — Review/Recommendations
Important Discussion and/or Comments: The discussion was begun by Tom Coffee. He
explained the look of the acorn style streetlight that had been decided on for the downtown
area. (Exhibit B). Coffee said he told the City Manager they were ready to go ahead with this.
Since the City Manager had a meeting with the Mayor, he told the Mayor that this was what
they were going to be doing. The Mayor questioned the light and said he thought they were
going to use a Bridgeport Plaza type streetlight— that was going to go on the commuter rail
station. They said "That's what TriMet is doing, but TriMet is doing that on their own."
Coffee noted that is not the PGE approved acorn style light that the Streetscape Plan calls
for, nor is it what CCAC called for back in February, when this was discussed. He said at a
Council Study Session (August 14t11) they talked to them saying "Here's the issue —is it going
to be different on the station, downtown, or are we going to try to go our own way— or
what? They said, "Refer it to the CCAC". That's why it's on the agenda.
There was some discussion about a memo that Councilor Wilson sent dated 8-20-07.
(Exhibit C). Coffee said the Council needs to know— are they going to "stay the course"
and move on, or are they going to reopen the issue?
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Discussion was then opened on this [the question of lighting types] and Switzer prefaced it
by saying anyone who participated in the Streetscape Group and the CCAC has every reason
to gripe about this, but that they need to just acknowledge they've "hit a bump" and need to
move forward through it. There was discussion as to whether the delay would be too long if
this whole issue was reopened. Coffee answered that there's time. Some of the
Commissioners said they didn't feel the choices were there to begin with. They didn't like
any of them but had to choose between two that they didn't like. It was noted it would be
twice the cost to do something other than a PGE approved light. Lisa Olson explained what
the decision was regarding lights. It had to be a PGE approved light.
Tom Coffee said he realizes the people who have dealt with this issue before, time and again,
via the CCAC and Streetscape Taskforce have every right to feel frustrated, and even angry
that this has come up again. He stressed that no one was saying the original decision was
wrong, but that now the opportunity has presented itself to be able to consider a completely
new range of lights that people in these groups did not know was available. Coffee said if
the issue were opened up again, they would have to get the facts - the cost comparisons.
Then they will have to discuss how this will get done,who's going to do it, how long is it
going to take— all that. He said if the CCAC goes down that road these are the implications
involved in opening it up.
Action Items (Follow-Up or Votes):
• A straw poll was taken as to whether to reopen this issue.
Those in favor of reopening were:
1. Commissioner Hughes (if it is done in a timely manner—within 60 days)
2. Commissioner Ellis Gaut
3. Commissioner Lilly, and
4. Chair Switzer.
Those against reopening were:
1. Commissioner Barkley, and
2. Commissioner Craghead.
Chair Switzer stated that with a 4-2 vote in favor, the majority rules, and the issue would be
reopened; however, Chair Switzer asked that it be noted the CCAC has expressed
exasperation, frustration, and dismay at this.
• Staff will communicate with TriMet soon that, despite earlier discussions, the "light"
question is back open and they will be communicating with them on a weekly basis.
They need to state if there is a "drop dead" date that needs to be met.
Agenda Item #5: Selection of alternate to Joint Planning/CCAC Committee on Land
Use Regulations:
Important Discussion and/or Comments: Nachbar said Sean Farrelly, .Associate Planner,
has asked to have an alternate on the joint Planning/CCAC Committee. Commissioner Lilly
volunteered to do it.
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Action Items (Follow-Up or Votes): Commissioner Lilly will be the new alternate on the
joint Planning/CCAC Committee on Land Use Regulations
Agenda Item #6: Recognition of Contributions to Downtown
Important Discussion and/or Comments: Nachbar said he would like the CCAC to
consider some kind of recognition of contributions to Downtown. The question was asked—
"What will this look like?" Tom Coffee noted things are happening downtown on the
initiative of individuals and groups. His idea is the City simply let them know it's been
noticed. The City should thank them, and give them some sort of recognition - perhaps a
plaque of some sort, or a certificate. It was noted that anyone who has done something to
contribute to downtown should be recognized. He said there could be categories. It was
mentioned the Tigard Eye Clinic (Drs. Smith) have always kept up a very nice appearance.
Perhaps the City should say `great job' —communicate in some way with people who are
trying to beautify the area.
Action Items (Follow-Up or Votes): It was decided this is a good idea. Staff will bring
some examples of ideas as soon as possible. Nachbar noted that a lot is going on, but he will
try to get to it as soon as he can.
Agenda Item #7: Other Business/Announcements
Important Discussion and/or Comments: It was noted there is still a need for two more
regular CCAC members and two alternates. September 12'will be the next scheduled
meeting and will be held at the Community Room in the library. All CCAC members are
invited to the Council meeting on the 28 , but should not feel obligated to come.
Action Items (Follow-Up or Votes): Chair Switzer adjourned the meeting at 9:00 pm.
Doreen Laughlin, City . Specialist II
ATTEST:
ChAD4an Carl Switze
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Scheme 1 -Stevens Marine Property:
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• Large enough area for soft-scape and hard- Visibility within downtown reduced
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more visible opening to the site. commerce.
• More visible opening to the Upland Park may
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• Ability to close off side street during events.
• Plaza events/activities can be regularly Will require regularly programmed
scheduled to generate activity. events to keep it active.
• Larger adjacent properties to towards Main St.
(Dolan/Liquor Store site)for redevelopment
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DRAFT MEETING NOTES
PROJECT: Fanno Creek Park and Plaza Master Plan
JOB NUMBER: 0717.0
BY: Laura Herbon,Walker Macy
DATE: August 2,2007
RE: July 28th Public Meeting No. 1 -Site Analysis, Programming&Plaza Location
On Saturday,July 28th,the first of three public meetings was held in the Tigard Library Community Meeting
room for the Fanno Creek Park and Plaza project. The purpose of the meeting was to present the existing
conditions of the site,site analysis,potential park and plaza program elements that could be considered for
the project,and the plaza location study.
Approximately 35 people attended the Public Meeting,including several members of the Steering
Committee and the City Mayor. Information was presented at three stations in an informal open house
format. The first station focused on existing conditions and site analysis,the second on programming
elements and the third on the plaza location study. Public comments were recorded during the
conversations at the various stations and comment cards were available for public input as well.
The meeting included the following Staff/Steering Committee participants:
Consultant Team.-
Laura
eam:Laura Herbon Project Manager,Walker Macy
Mike Zilis Principal,Walker Macy
Meeting Participants.
Phil Nachbar Senior Planner/Downtown Development,City of Tigard
Lisa Olson Volunteer,Project Steering Committee
Michael Freudenthal Project Steering Committee
Dan Dolan Project Steering Committee
Mike Swanda Project Steering Committee
Following is a summary of the major comments,points of clarification or additional issues raised by the
public participants during the group work session:
• The biggest issue is providing parking for new proposed facilities/plaza/park. Need to solve the
parking problem in Tigard.
• Connect trail for regional access-when??
• The plaza needs to be on Main Street.
• Put the plaza on Main Street. Don't stick it on Burnham out of the main circulation hoping that
Burnham will redevelop to high enough level to pull people down it. Successful urban plazas need to
be treated as an important land use,not placed in left over space.
■ Ensure that proposed use at Main Street-meeting of park and urban life-is highest attraction
possible to maximize the street/foot traffic that will"happen"along into the green spaces. Provide
another entrance/connection that is for intentional visitors. Arts Center is not an appropriate joining.
Police should be kept remote since it is not a destination that brings traffic to other adjacent uses.
Lawrence L. Walker • J. Douglas Macy • Michael W.Zilis
1 1 1 SW Oak, Suite 200 Portland, OR 97204
Phone 503-228-3122 Fax 503-273-8878
Fanno Creek Park and Plaza Master Plan
Public Meeting Notes
Page 2
■ Get your input from school or other questionnaire. Get art galleries. Support activities of artists.
"Rollerskating"for kids/adults. I like the plaza being just off Main Street,perhaps best at the corner
where liquor store is? Be sure a shuttle is available to and from train station and bus mall.
• Please seriously consider parking for all the activities that the new attraction/structures wil I bring to
town. Traffic is already bad,especially around Main Street where people use it to stay away from
Highway 99.
• I prefer/recommend Plaza location scheme 6(car wash site)since its large and most important,away
from Fanno Creek Park,in order to minimize disturbances to the Park,the wildlife that live there and
the people who want a quiet experience in the Park. Many dollars(public)have already been spent in
restoring Fanno Creek Park-NO more development in the Park. The Turtles!don't want more activity
in their home!
• Plaza should not be treated as a step-child. Put it on Main Street in prime location. A hybrid of scheme
#2(Steven's Marine site)with wide Park frontage onto Burnham is best solution. Do not build a road
between Park and development. Unecessary and expensive. Do not bring cars into Park. Retail space
on that back edge will not be highly desirable. Can bring street off Burnham between two sites with
entrances into garage parking-similar to Lake Oswego Millenium Park with the turn-around and entry
to garage. Put Farmer's Market in rail parking lot,not in this plaza. Park does not need a lot of parking if
plaza on Main Street,just enough for stage. Let people sit on grass for events.
• My first look at the proposals-very thought provoking. I appreciate the clear description of the
choices,and plan to physically visit the area with a new eye to the possibilities to consider.
• What about low income housing and Section 8? Leave Ash Avenue alone. Don't put it through the
Park!! Have something like Portland's Pioneer Square for summer time-"Flicks on the Bricks"-movies
shown. Someplace for the youth to go during summer. What about the old haggens? Rollerskating
rink,etc.
■ I'm interested in using the plaza for: concerts,play fountain,farmer's market,outdoor plays. Please
incorporate into design!!
• The presentation helps everyone at the meeting to be involved. The cards are a non-threatening way
for people to communicate their thoughts. Tigard is a great little City that has much potential for the
community. A plaza would be great for music,market,alnd a place for people to visit-a community
table.
• Presentation visual excellent!Helps us understand better. Great presentation of pictures and graphs.
Pictures are great for people in the community to learn more about what is going on and how they can
become involved-citizens of the community need to share their ideas.
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Exhibit C
Phil Nachbar- Street Lights
From: "Nick Wilson" <Nick@atlas-la.com>
To: "council mail councilmail" <councilmail@tigard-or.gov>
Date: 8/20/2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Street Lights
CC: "Craig Prosser" <CRAIG@tigard-or.gov>, <Tomc@tigard-or.gov>, "Phil Nachbar"
<Phil@tigard-or.gov>, "Gus Duenas" <Gus@tigard-or.gov>
Council Colleagues,
I was dismayed at last Tuesday's decision regarding the street lights. I hope you all will consider what I have to
say and perhaps re-open the discussion on this. .
I drove around and took a few photographs of the PGE-approved fixture that is being considered. I didn't need to
go far. They are everywhere! Most of the attached photos were taken within easy walking distance of my home.
Please consider the following:
1. You don't distinguish your downtown by making it look like everywhere else.
2. The fixture that is being considered is inexpensive. That's why PGE will install it for free. That is why
you see it everywhere. If we make decisions about downtown based on what is the cheapest or nearly the
cheapest option,we will not end up with a downtown that is any better than the development that is already
all around us.
3. 1 may sound like a design snob on this one but bear with me: The fixture being considered is a simplified
replica of an historic style—in this case a Victorian era lamp and pole. We are going to build new
buildings downtown. There are no Victorian era buildings to match. That light will be completely out of
context. It's like the guy on Walnut who built a medieval stone castle turret addition to 50's era ranch
home. You drive by and look at that and you wonder"what was he thinking?" I know that people like the
charm of that fixture. It is popular. So is Budweiser beer. I would suggest that a more sophisticated
approach is to select a fixture that retains the charm of bygone days but is not trying to replicate them. I
think that the Bridgeport Village fixture does that.
4. The fixture that we select is one of the more important early decisions that we will make. Because it is part
of a system, once it is selected,we will not change it for at least 50 years. We can always add brick or
concrete pavers. We can always add art. We can change benches. But the lighting that we pick now sets
the tone for everything that comes after it.
5. Sydney reminded us that one of the reasons that Port Moody has been so successful is that they got public
input on everything. While that is true,I would caution against allowing committees of citizens to make
technical decisions. They should establish the general design direction and inform the consultants what our
values are and what the character of the place needs to be. But our hired consultants should make the
technical decisions. Lighting selection is a technical matter. There are important things to consider
besides its appearance. For example,will this fixture still be available in 25 years when we do our last new
street? Will it last 50 years? Is it rugged enough for an urban situation? What spacing is required to get
the photometric light distribution on the ground? Fixtures and poles can be mixed and matched. What
kind of pole are we using—fiberglass?cast iron? Concrete? Aluminum? How high? Twelve feet?
Twenty feet? What kind of lamp? High pressure sodium? Mercury Vapor? Incandescent? Metal
Halide? What kind of base? Direct bury? Screw in? Cast concrete? All of these decisions have an
impact on how it looks, performs and endures. It is not a simple matter of picking a style.
Finally I just want to say that since I started on the Planning Commission 12 years ago I have had very high
aspirations for downtown. My goal has always been that the future downtown Tigard will completely transform
the image of the entire City. My hope is that people throughout the region will look at what we have done and
want to move here because they want to be near one of the most exciting places in the metro area. When I see
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made on the basis of what is the cheapest, it does not bode well for the future of our endeavor.
decisions get a e p ,
While I was not especially attached to the roundabout idea,I was not pleased with the rationale for our decision
to scrap it. Again, it was abandoned not because it was a bad idea but because it was costly and there was
opposition to it from neighbors. If developers were so timid,nothing would ever get built! Again, it does not
bode well for our future because we will potentially have strong opposition and we will need to spend some
serious money. Yes, we need to pick our battles and prioritize our spending but the goal should always be to aim
high. If it takes a little longer,or our funding is such that we need to do a little less,so be it. But let's not
compromise quality.
Nick Wilson
Atlas Landscape Architecture
320$W 6th Avenue, Ste. 300
Portland, OR 97204
(503) 224.5238
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