City Council Minutes - 02/12/2004 Agenda Item No. 3.
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TIGARD CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING
February 12, 2004 — 5:30 PM
Tigard City Hall — Red Rock Geek Conference Room
13125 SW Hall Boulevard
Tigard, Oregon
The meeting began at 5:30 p.m. Mayor Dirksen, Councilors Sherwood, Wilson and
Moore were all in attendance.
City Manager Monahan noted that all eight candidates for the position of City Council
were scheduled for 20 minute interviews. All candidates would be allowed to make
opening remarks of up to 5 minutes, followed by Council questions. The opening is not
mandatory. A process was established by Council to have Susan Koepping advise Council
when 18 of the 20 minutes of their interview was used. Copies of the rating forms were
distributed and scoring system with one being lowest and eight being the highest was
explained.
Council discussed the questions to be asked. Mayor Dirksen noted that consideration of
the Bull Mountain annexation is the largest issue facing the City. He said that he will ask,
"What is your stance on the Bull Mountain annexation?" The answer will be heavily
weighted by him.
Councilor Sherwood stated that her question would be as follows, "You privately and
publicly announce that you support a project in Tigard, and then find that it is four tunes
the stated cost, knowing you are the keeper of the public pocketbook, would you continue
your support or change your position?"
Councilor Wilson stated his question as follows, "Suppose a development applicant for a
project came forward that you are not in favor of. You determine that the application
meets the development code. There is a room full of people present in opposition, what
position would you take and why?" Councilor Wilson had additional questions for Council
to consider. One question was "Given that the term of Council is only ten months, if
selected would you choose to run for re-election in November." Another question was,
"if you are not selected, do you plan to run in November." Finally, he posed the
question of, "What is Tigard's most significant problem, what will you do to address it?"
Council discussed how to proceed, whether they will ask more than one question.
Councilor Moore posed his question of, "If you are interviewing someone for any position,
what you do feel are the three most important qualifications you would look for?"
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Council discussed the process and agreed to ask one question each. Councilor Wilson's
question about interest in running again was discussed. Council felt that it should not be
asked.
Interviews began at 6 p.m. The first applicant was Ian Sanders who was introduced and
provided with the ground rules. He chose not to make a five minute presentation. Mayor
Dirksen asked Ian's stance on the Bull Mountain annexation. Ian feels that annexation
should take place and parks should be provided. Councilor Sherwood asked her question
about a project with rising costs. Ian responded that he would be upfront about the
situation and the costs so that a decision can be made. Councilor Wilson asked about a
development application, an adult video store as the proposed use. Ian responded that a
part of him would want to say that the project meets code, but also as a young parent, he
had concerns. He would speak openly against it, but if the code allowed it, he would
allow it. The public could decide whether to support it. Councilor Moore asked his
question regarding qualifications. Ian responded 1) teamwork, 2) being very efficient, and
3) leadership, something that inspires someone to do better. In response to the question
from Councilor Moore whether he had anything in addition to say, Ian stated that he
would work hard, he is willing to learn, and he would use his abilities to help the City. Ian
asked Council what the time commitment is. Council discussed the Iength of meetings and
liaison assignments as well as meeting preparation time. Councilor Moore estimated that a
council member spends 15 -- 30 hours per week volunteering for the City. Ian asked
Council how feasible the 2004 goals are, in particular the parks and recreation goal. Mr.
Sander's interview completed at 6:13 p.m.
Second interview began at 6:20 p.m. Tom Woodruff was introduced and provided with
the ground rules. He states his interest in the position and his background. As a budget
committee member he gained familiarity with the City. He served for four years in the
West Union School Board. Tom stated he likes the Council's goal for the year,
particularly the communication goal. He noted that he has taught communication and has
an interest in collaboration. Tom has no preconceived notions on any major issue, nor
does he represent any special issues.
Mayor Dirksen asked his annexation question. Tom said that he does not have a position,
he needs to hear more. He hopes all points of view are heard and whatever decision is
made is made in a transparent way. He has no problem with annexation as a concept, but
would reserve judgment on Bull Mountain. Councilor Sherwood asked the "four times the
cost" question - Tom said if information changes it is foolish to stick with your original
decision if it didn't make fiscal sense. He would state his original position and why it
changed. He referred to Tigard's conservative fiscal position. So he would likely change
his mind.
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Councilor Wilson asked his "development application" question -- Tom said while he may
have personal troubles with something, if it meets all criteria, he would make his personal
position known, then vote based on the criteria. Then he may try to change the criteria.
Councilor Moore ask his "select a candidate" question — Tom responded that the three
qualifications are 1) ability to work collaboratively in a team setting, 2) relevant
experience, and understanding of the job, whether the applicant has done the job before
and has shown evidence that they are a quick learner, and 3) good work ethic. Mayor
Dirksen asked if Tom had any questions to ask of Council. Tom asked besides Bull
Mountain what is the most difficult or contention issue. Councilor Sherwood said
downtown. Council clarified that downtown was a big project and could be controversial.
Tom said that he is very impressed with the City web site. Mayor Dirksen said a more
contentious issue is related to development, leading to a code review and a comprehensive
plan review. Council completed the interview at 6:38 p.m.
Mark Padgett's interview began at 6:40 p.m. with ground rules discussed. Mark made a
presentation. He noted that he wore his volunteer badge to the meeting, recognizing
Council's stated interest in choosing someone who has volunteered. He noted his
volunteer involvement since he moved to Tigard 20 years ago. He listed his City and
County volunteer positions leading to the past 8 years on Tigard's Planning Commission.
He has been chair of the Planning Commission for the last two years. Mark stressed that
he works well in a committee structure. He noted that he looks at the big picture, what is
best for the City as a whole. He asked the Council to appoint someone with background
and a proven track record. He stated he has a track record working on the issues and that
being a Council member is not an entry level position.
Mayor Dirksen asked his "annexation" question. Mark noted that annexation is fair, City
Ievel services are being used by unincorporated residents at a City level yet not paying at
that Ievel. He does not like the idea of that people outside the City are being subsidized.
He stated reasons why annexation is needed, plus more-pressure should be put on the
County to get out of the urban services business. He thinks the County should be
advocates for annexation.
Councilor Sherwood asked the "four times the cost" question. Mark said of course he
would change his support as it would not be the same project. He would weigh the cost
benefit ratio and look at it again to decide. Councilor Wilson asked his "development
application" question. Mark responded that he has to make his decision based on the
code, that is the law. He would ask opponents what their legal basis is. They could
encourage people to seek a code change, or the Commission could seek a change if it is
legal. Councilor Moore asked his question. Mark responded l) willingness to serve, to do
the job, to put in the time and effort, 2) has an understanding of the issues and a track
record, and 3) the ability to work in a committee situation. He noted his prior
involvement on committees.
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Mark was asked if he had questions to ask. He noted that he would have interviewed all 8
applicants. He restated that he thinks he meets the qualifications.
Jason Rogers' interview began at 7 p.m. Ground rules were stated. Jason stated his
background and his feeling that the position available is consistent with his goal of being
the head of the State Emergency Management Services in the future. Mayor asked his
"annexation" question. Jason stated the financial advantages for the City because of the
annexation. Councilor Sherwood asked her "four times the cost" question. Jason said
that if he was passionate about the project he would promote it, but the four times the
cost issue is a concern. He would analyze it closer to see if the project is necessary for the
City, vital.
Councilor Wilson asked his "development application" question. Jason noted that at his
place of work they apply the six sigma standard which is used in Fort Wayne, Indiana. He
would use this to decide if something was good for the citizens of Tigard. Each situation
warrants a different answer. Councilor Wilson asked his "select a candidate" question.
Jason responded 1) be able to execute on projects, 2) customer service for internal and
external customers, and 3) skills to do the job. He noted he can teach people skills so the
top two qualifications are rated higher. Mayor Dirksen asked Jason if he had any
questions. Jason asked what the time committee is. Councilor Moore noted that this is
the fourth meeting this week that he has attended plus he devotes time preparing for
meetings so 15 — 30 hours per week is possible. He noted the other meetings that
Council members are involved in. Jason asked what Tigard is doing in terms of Weapons
of Mass Destruction. Mayor Dirksen encouraged Jason to get involved in volunteer
activities. Council concluded the interview at 7:15 p.m.
At 7:20 p.m. the interview for Alice Ellis Gaut began with ground rules stated. Alice
made a presentation her other areas of concern besides land development. She stated that
she would be new to the position of Council. She commented on a remark made at the
Council meeting on Tuesday about an emphasis on volunteer activity. She asked Council
to note that giving to community goes beyond the City. She asked Council to recall that
family duties and service to the indigent are public services. She noted her service as a
public service lawyer for over 20 years. Many of her clients were Tigard residents. She
continues to do legal work for indigents, plus she has volunteered for schools. In addition,
she has been involved in Take Back Tigard, which she considers as volunteer service to the
community.
Mayor Dirksen commented that the remark made about volunteerism meant volunteerism
to mean — in your life. He asked his "annexation" question. Alice noted that annexation
in general when bridging the gaps makes sense. County services differ from City. Tax
dollars to County should be used for services that cities don't have available. Cities are
better equipped to provide day to day services. She noted revenues from the area served
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by the City should go to the City. With respect to Bull Mountain, there is a way to go to
be able to answer the question whether it is time to annexation. She feels the formation of
the committees is a helpful first step and can branch out to get input from the community.
She noted the administrative and service concerns need to be worked out, there is some
fear.
Councilor Sherwood asked her "four times the cost" question. Alice responded that the
middle ground is where she would head. Since it is four times the cost, we need to
reassess the situation. We need to go back and say "I missed something." We can't agree
to put up the money unless Council thinks it is worth it.
Councilor Wilson asked his "development application" question. Alice responded that
assuming it is legitimate and meets the plan, if it meets the criteria she would do her best
to communicate why we make the decision we do. In the end, when making unpopular
decisions, if the law says that it is legal, sometimes you need to suck it up and go there.
Councilor Moore asked his "select a candidate" question. Alice responded 1) integrity,
3) experience would count, but might be third, and 2) commitment.
Mayor Dirksen asked Alice if she had any questions to ask. Alice asked what do your
deliberations look like. How does the collegial part of the work? Councilor Sherwood
said that she does not call other Council members. Councilor Moore said that they send
emails. Councilor Wilson noted that the Council responds to emails and will copy them to
others. Alice asked about education or training. Councilor Moore discussed how Council
works. Mayor Dirksen noted the materials and information Council receives from staff.
He said the exchange that goes on is when there is a request for information. Council
concluded the interview at 7:40 p.m.
Bob Rohlf's interview began at 7:40 p.m. with ground rules stated. Bob did not make an
opening statement. Mayor Dirksen asked his "Bull Mountain annexation" question. Bob
said that his general opinion is if people are getting services, they should pay for them. If
there are questions the services need to be looked at. He noted that Walnut Island needed
services, this may not be true for Bull Mountain. He said Council needs to decide what is
best for Tigard. He has not made a personal decision yet, he will decide based on what
the voters do. Councilor Sherwood asked her 'four times the cost" question. Bob said he
would go public with the cost. He would make cost a piece of the discussion, and stress
the need to be honest with the public. Councilor Wilson asked his `development
application" question. Bob responded that Council was concerned that such a business
could be placed in the downtown. He said the issue what you think is right and what the
law is. You have to uphold the law. If he saw this in advance, he would consider changing
the law. He cited the legal concern. Councilor Moore asked his "qualifications" question.
Bob said 1) be able to handle the pressure, 2) be fair, and 3) have a good deal of
integrity. Mayor Dirksen asked Bob if he had questions to ask. Bob asked if Council thinks
we can get far enough along on Bull Mountain this year. The Mayor said there is a lune
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30 deadline. Bob asked for an update on water. Councilor Moore responded with an
update of the Joint Water Commission, purchase of 4 million gallons per day, the effort to
raise the dam. Also, he noted a report that discussed Portland Water and the quality of
the Willamette River water. Councilor Moore noted an advisory vote on the Willamette
could be proposed in the coming year., Bob asked whether there are plans to move ahead
on the downtown this year. The Mayor responded about the TGM grant and the citizen
involvement plan. Urban renewal has been discussed. Bob asked if there are major
lawsuits pending. Council responded no, but there has been LUBA activity. Interview
ended at 7:57 p.m.
Patrick Moran's interview began at 8 p.m. The ground rules were stated. Patrick chose
not to make a statement. Mayor Dirksen asked his "annexation" question. Patrick noted
his knowledge of the annexation is based on the newspaper. He thinks that it is a great
idea in terms of finances and services. He said the process is not as clear to him. He
thinks the sooner it gets to a vote, he doesn't see how the citizens of Tigard would not
vote for it. Councilor Sherwood asked her "four times the cost" question. Patrick said he
would actively support his position and actively pursue finding the funding from other
sources. He would not back down from his original position.
Councilor Wilson asked his "development application" question. Patrick would go with
the constituency of what the community wants regardless of what the code says. He
would go that way because he thinks the people who have lived in the community, if they
don't like something, should not cave to what a developer wants. Councilor Moore asked
his "qualifications" question. Patrick responded l) integrity, 2) desire to keep Tigard
going in the direction it is going, and 3) someone with a track record of"stick to
it"tiveness, not going to flake out.
Mayor Dirksen asked Patrick if he would like to ask questions. Patrick said that he had
been in the Tigard area for 17 years, so he has watched Council meetings. He asked
about the learning curve. City Manager Monahan explained the orientation process and
materials made available. Councilor Moore explained how he was oriented. The interview
concluded at 8:12 p.m. Mayor Dirksen then encouraged Patrick to maintain his desire to
be involved in the City as a volunteer position.
The interview of Ron FIlis Gaut began at 8:20 p.m. Ground rules were stated. Ron read
a statement. He noted he has watched development in Tigard and wondered why. He
said there is little in his own community he can boast about. He asked "is our vision to do
more of the same." He noted what he has learned about our local system of government,
and there are not checks and balances. He said that citizen involvement does not work in
Tigard. Ron said there is a sound condition of apathy. He wondered what is needed to
get people involved and have the community be what we want it to be. Ron believes the
answer is — we need leadership in City government. Ron thinks this can be shown by
people following leaders. He noted that Bretton Woods was his catalyst for his
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involvement. He doesn't think the City administration understands his concern about
Bretton Woods. Ron said the message being stated is, the City places developer interest
over threats to homes and families. He noted that he does not believe Council members
have bad intent. He asked the Council to consider what the achievements of the City
administration will be. He would like to contribute to establishing the vision of the City
and have it be one that inspires citizen involvement.
Councilor Moore noted that only six minutes remained in Ron's interview. He expressed
concern how the questions could be asked in such a short period of time. Councilor
Wilson asked his "development application" question. Ron said you have to make a
judgment call based upon the code, if the code needs to be changed over time you can
change it. You must enforce the code.
Mayor Dirksen asked the Bull Mountain question. Ron said he doesn't know what the
impacts will be. He thinks form a fairness perspective, the citizens of Bull Mountain should
be able to have an equal say. Councilor Moore asked his "qualification" question. Ron
said 1) integrity, 2) need to be qualified, and 3) that they share a common set of values.
Councilor Sherwood asked her "four times the cost" question. Ron said the decision
needs to be looked at in a larger context, can you still afford it? The economic realities
need to come in. It may be supportable given the economics.
Ron said he was being honest when he said he did not expect to be appointed to Council
tonight. Councilor Moore said he was expecting something different. Council concluded
the interview at 8:30 p.m.
Other applicants entered the conference room as Council checked their notes and began
to rate the applicants.
At 8:50 p.m., Council indicated that each member had completed a rating sheet. The
rating sheets were submitted to City Manager who tallied them on a score sheet. Bill
Monahan with the assistance of Lisa Hamilton Treicke tallied the numbers and distributed
completed tally sheets.
At 8:57 p.m. Mayor Dirksen announced that Tom Woodruff was the highest vote getter
and, based on prior discussion with Council, was appointed. Mayor Dirksen thanked
everyone and encouraged further participation in the community. Councilor Moore and
Councilor Sherwood encouraged applicants to consider openings on the Budget
Committee, Library Board, and others. Councilor Wilson noted that his low rating of
some applicants reflected their lack of experience. He encouraged people to get involved.
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The meeting concluded at 9:02 p.m.
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