09/12/1983 - Minutes kt
NPO #3 MEETING MINUTES
September 12, 1983
1. Called to order at 7:25 P.M.
2. Roll Call: Present were Bledsoe, Ramsdell(7:32), Smith, Mortensen, and
Porter. Milt Fyre has been appointed to the Planning Commission, but he
is remaining as a general member of NPO #3. Visitors were Althea Rodde
and Betty McCain. Staff were Steve Skorney and Liz Newton.
3. The chairman forgot to bring the minutes of July 25, 1983.
4. Review of Park Place development application by Century 21 Homes. Bob
Miller of Century 21 Homes. Bob Miller of Century 21 had said he would
attend our meeting, but he never came, although Liz checked the lobby
several times. In our review of this application, NPO #3 has the
following concerns and opinions :
a. The route for SW Gaarde Street to 135th and Walnut is in accordance
with the County's desires for a thoroughfare between Murray Blvd. and
Pacific Hwy. Under the terms of the UPAA, the City cannot exclude
this possibility. However, the approval of this application should
leave open the options for a more indirect route, as specified in
Tigard's adopted comprehensive plan, including connection to SW 132nd
Avenue instead of 135th and Walnut.
b. The road alignment of SW Gaarde, including in particular the
termination point of Phase I, should be moved westward so as to
impact the Rodde property less (Tax lot 300).
C. Steve Skorney reported that the City Engineer would like to see the
County standard of a 70-foot right-of-way for Gaarde Street instead
of the proposed 60 feet. This is a change from a discussion that Bob
Bledsoe had with Frank Curry, in which Mr. Curry said he wanted to
see a 60-foot right-of-way with the contingent restrictive easement
of 5 feet on each side. NPO #3 strongly supports the 60-foot
right-of-way with the contingent easement.
d. The County standard for major collector is a roadway designed for
speeds of 35-45 mph. The City standard for minor collector is a
roadway designed for speeds at 25-35 mph. Since 35 mph is the common
ground in this controversy, that is the speed that should be designed
for no more and no less. The radius agreed upon by Frank curry and
the County is 700 feet. At that radius the super elevation should be
limited to 7% maximum, in order to provide for speeds of up to 35 mph.
e. Stop signs should be included at 121st and Gaarde.
f. Setbacks on Questor Blvd. should be 20 feet instead of the proposed
15 feet. The purpose of keeping the standard setback in this
instance is to avoid discouraging the use of Questor Blvd. as a minor
collector. Although designed to local street standards, it is the
only road that will be servicing the other side of the ravine and
will therefore function as a minor collector.
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g. NPO #3 was concerned about the placement of the private road serving
units 27-30 on the property line, especially since the land to the
south is zoned R-1, which is considerably different than the R-4.5 PD
of this development. We recommend moving the private road at least 5
feet northward, and including landscaping between the road and the
property line. This area would be a good place to extend the jogging
path from Unit 32 to the intersection of Gaarde and 121st.
h. The use of the gas line easement as a jogging path and nature trail
is not a suitable routing for those purposes. In some areas where
the slopes are gradual, the route is O.K. , but otherwise, the route
of the trail should be designed with the users in mind, not just for
the convenience of the developers.
5. Our next meeting will be the regular meeting for October. Our regular
meetings will be on the Monday of the first Council meeting of the month.
That should be October 3, 7:15 P.M. at Fowler Jr. High School.
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